Exclusive: Working-class whites are gloomy about future amid rising income gaps, racial shifts
WASHINGTON — Four out of 5 U.S. adults struggle with joblessness, near-poverty or reliance on welfare for at least parts of their lives, a sign of deteriorating economic security and an elusive American dream.
Survey data exclusive to The Associated Press points to an increasingly globalized U.S. economy, the widening gap between rich and poor, and the loss of good-paying manufacturing jobs as reasons for the trend.
The findings come as President Barack Obama tries to renew his administration's emphasis on the economy, saying in recent speeches that his highest priority is to "rebuild ladders of opportunity" and reverse income inequality.
As nonwhites approach a numerical majority in the U.S., one question is how public programs to lift the disadvantaged should be best focused — on the affirmative action that historically has tried to eliminate the racial barriers seen as the major impediment to economic equality, or simply on improving socioeconomic status for all, regardless of race.
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Hardship is particularly growing among whites, based on several measures. Pessimism among that racial group about their families' economic futures has climbed to the highest point since at least 1987. In the most recent AP-GfK poll, 63 percent of whites called the economy "poor."
"I think it's going to get worse," said Irene Salyers, 52, of Buchanan County, Va., a declining coal region in Appalachia. Married and divorced three times, Salyers now helps run a fruit and vegetable stand with her boyfriend but it doesn't generate much income. They live mostly off government disability checks.
"If you do try to go apply for a job, they're not hiring people, and they're not paying that much to even go to work," she said. Children, she said, have "nothing better to do than to get on drugs."
While racial and ethnic minorities are more likely to live in poverty, race disparities in the poverty rate have narrowed substantially since the 1970s, census data show. Economic insecurity among whites also is more pervasive than is shown in the government's poverty data, engulfing more than 76 percent of white adults by the time they turn 60, according to a new economic gauge being published next year by the Oxford University Press.
The gauge defines "economic insecurity" as experiencing unemployment at some point in their working lives, or a year or more of reliance on government aid such as food stamps or income below 150 percent of the poverty line. Measured across all races, the risk of economic insecurity rises to 79 percent.
Marriage rates are in decline across all races, and the number of white mother-headed households living in poverty has risen to the level of black ones.
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"It's time that America comes to understand that many of the nation's biggest disparities, from education and life expectancy to poverty, are increasingly due to economic class position," said William Julius Wilson, a Harvard professor who specializes in race and poverty. He noted that despite continuing economic difficulties, minorities have more optimism about the future after Obama's election, while struggling whites do not.
"There is the real possibility that white alienation will increase if steps are not taken to highlight and address inequality on a broad front," Wilson said.
Nationwide, the count of America's poor remains stuck at a record number: 46.2 million, or 15 percent of the population, due in part to lingering high unemployment following the recession. While poverty rates for blacks and Hispanics are nearly three times higher, by absolute numbers the predominant face of the poor is white.
More than 19 million whites fall below the poverty line of $23,021 for a family of four, accounting for more than 41 percent of the nation's destitute, nearly double the number of poor blacks.
Sometimes termed "the invisible poor" by demographers, lower-income whites generally are dispersed in suburbs as well as small rural towns, where more than 60 percent of the poor are white. Concentrated in Appalachia in the East, they are numerous in the industrial Midwest and spread across America's heartland, from Missouri, Arkansas and Oklahoma up through the Great Plains.
Buchanan County, in southwest Virginia, is among the nation's most destitute based on median income, with poverty hovering at 24 percent. The county is mostly white, as are 99 percent of its poor.
More than 90 percent of Buchanan County's inhabitants are working-class whites who lack a college degree. Higher education long has been seen there as nonessential to land a job because well-paying mining and related jobs were once in plentiful supply. These days many residents get by on odd jobs and government checks.
Salyers' daughter, Renee Adams, 28, who grew up in the region, has two children. A jobless single mother, she relies on her live-in boyfriend's disability checks to get by. Salyers says it was tough raising her own children as it is for her daughter now, and doesn't even try to speculate what awaits her grandchildren, ages 4 and 5.
Smoking a cigarette in front of the produce stand, Adams later expresses a wish that employers will look past her conviction a few years ago for distributing prescription painkillers, so she can get a job and have money to "buy the kids everything they need."
"It's pretty hard," she said. "Once the bills are paid, we might have $10 to our name."
Census figures provide an official measure of poverty, but they're only a temporary snapshot that doesn't capture the makeup of those who cycle in and out of poverty at different points in their lives. They may be suburbanites, for example, or the working poor or the laid off.
In 2011 that snapshot showed 12.6 percent of adults in their prime working-age years of 25-60 lived in poverty. But measured in terms of a person's lifetime risk, a much higher number — 4 in 10 adults — falls into poverty for at least a year of their lives.
The risks of poverty also have been increasing in recent decades, particularly among people ages 35-55, coinciding with widening income inequality. For instance, people ages 35-45 had a 17 percent risk of encountering poverty during the 1969-1989 time period; that risk increased to 23 percent during the 1989-2009 period. For those ages 45-55, the risk of poverty jumped from 11.8 percent to 17.7 percent.
Higher recent rates of unemployment mean the lifetime risk of experiencing economic insecurity now runs even higher: 79 percent, or 4 in 5 adults, by the time they turn 60.
By race, nonwhites still have a higher risk of being economically insecure, at 90 percent. But compared with the official poverty rate, some of the biggest jumps under the newer measure are among whites, with more than 76 percent enduring periods of joblessness, life on welfare or near-poverty.
By 2030, based on the current trend of widening income inequality, close to 85 percent of all working-age adults in the U.S. will experience bouts of economic insecurity.
"Poverty is no longer an issue of 'them', it's an issue of 'us'," says Mark Rank, a professor at Washington University in St. Louis who calculated the numbers. "Only when poverty is thought of as a mainstream event, rather than a fringe experience that just affects blacks and Hispanics, can we really begin to build broader support for programs that lift people in need."
The numbers come from Rank's analysis being published by the Oxford University Press. They are supplemented with interviews and figures provided to the AP by Tom Hirschl, a professor at Cornell University; John Iceland, a sociology professor at Penn State University; the University of New Hampshire's Carsey Institute; the Census Bureau; and the Population Reference Bureau.
Among the findings:
—For the first time since 1975, the number of white single-mother households living in poverty with children surpassed or equaled black ones in the past decade, spurred by job losses and faster rates of out-of-wedlock births among whites. White single-mother families in poverty stood at nearly 1.5 million in 2011, comparable to the number for blacks. Hispanic single-mother families in poverty trailed at 1.2 million.
—Since 2000, the poverty rate among working-class whites has grown faster than among working-class nonwhites, rising 3 percentage points to 11 percent as the recession took a bigger toll among lower-wage workers. Still, poverty among working-class nonwhites remains higher, at 23 percent.
—The share of children living in high-poverty neighborhoods — those with poverty rates of 30 percent or more — has increased to 1 in 10, putting them at higher risk of teenage pregnancy or dropping out of school. Non-Hispanic whites accounted for 17 percent of the child population in such neighborhoods, compared with 13 percent in 2000, even though the overall proportion of white children in the U.S. has been declining.
The share of black children in high-poverty neighborhoods dropped from 43 percent to 37 percent, while the share of Latino children went from 38 percent to 39 percent.
—Race disparities in health and education have narrowed generally since the 1960s. While residential segregation remains high, a typical black person now lives in a nonmajority black neighborhood for the first time. Previous studies have shown that wealth is a greater predictor of standardized test scores than race; the test-score gap between rich and low-income students is now nearly double the gap between blacks and whites.
Going back to the 1980s, never have whites been so pessimistic about their futures, according to the General Social Survey, a biannual survey conducted by NORC at the University of Chicago. Just 45 percent say their family will have a good chance of improving their economic position based on the way things are in America.
The divide is especially evident among those whites who self-identify as working class. Forty-nine percent say they think their children will do better than them, compared with 67 percent of nonwhites who consider themselves working class, even though the economic plight of minorities tends to be worse.
Although they are a shrinking group, working-class whites — defined as those lacking a college degree — remain the biggest demographic bloc of the working-age population. In 2012, Election Day exit polls conducted for the AP and the television networks showed working-class whites made up 36 percent of the electorate, even with a notable drop in white voter turnout.
Last November, Obama won the votes of just 36 percent of those noncollege whites, the worst performance of any Democratic nominee among that group since Republican Ronald Reagan's 1984 landslide victory over Walter Mondale.
Some Democratic analysts have urged renewed efforts to bring working-class whites into the political fold, calling them a potential "decisive swing voter group" if minority and youth turnout level off in future elections. "In 2016 GOP messaging will be far more focused on expressing concern for 'the middle class' and 'average Americans,'" Andrew Levison and Ruy Teixeira wrote recently in The New Republic.
"They don't trust big government, but it doesn't mean they want no government," says Republican pollster Ed Goeas, who agrees that working-class whites will remain an important electoral group. His research found that many of them would support anti-poverty programs if focused broadly on job training and infrastructure investment. This past week, Obama pledged anew to help manufacturers bring jobs back to America and to create jobs in the energy sectors of wind, solar and natural gas.
"They feel that politicians are giving attention to other people and not them," Goeas said.
Media calls black rioters “college students”
A Virginia Beach, Virginia party organized by fraternities at historically black colleges ended in rioting, three shootings, two stabbings, and three hundred calls to police. However the media is intentionally censoring who was the perpetrators of the violence. In every media report, the perpetrators are described as “college students.” It is being completely censored that these were people from black colleges.
A website for the event lists the names of six blacks colleges and shows that the event was clearly being marketed towards blacks.
So, this hooked nose (even AFTER plastic surgery) and fake tits b!tch made her some money, just like her idol, the sandn!gger gypsy slutbag, Kim Kardashian:
Americans fear government more than terror
Astonishing poll results for 1st time since 9/11 hijackings
According to a pair of recent polls, for the first time since the 9/11 terrorist hijackings, Americans are more fearful their government will abuse constitutional liberties than fail to keep its citizens safe.
Even in the wake of the April 15 Boston Marathon bombing – in which a pair of Islamic radicals are accused of planting explosives that took the lives of 3 and wounded over 280 – the polls suggest Americans are hesitant to give up any further freedoms in exchange for increased “security.”
A Fox News survey polling a random national sample of 619 registered voters the day after the bombing found despite the tragic event, those interviewed responded very differently than following 9/11.
For the first time since a similar question was asked in May 2001, more Americans answered “no” to the question, “Would you be willing to give up some of your personal freedom in order to reduce the threat of terrorism?”
Of those surveyed on April 16, 2013, 45 percent answered no to the question, compared to 43 percent answering yes.
In May 2001, before 9/11, the balance was similar, with 40 percent answering no to 33 percent answering yes.
But following the terrorist attacks of 9/11, the numbers flipped dramatically, to 71 percent agreeing to sacrifice personal freedom to reduce the threat of terrorism.
Subsequent polls asking the same question in 2002, 2005 and 2006 found Americans consistently willing to give up freedom in exchange for security. Yet the numbers were declining from 71 percent following 9/11 to only 54 percent by May 2006.
Now, it would seem, the famous quote widely attributed to Benjamin Franklin – “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety” – is holding more sway with Americans than it has in over a dozen years.
A similar poll sampling 588 adults, conducted on April 17 and 18 for the Washington Post, also discovered the change in attitude.
“Which worries you more,” the Post asked, “that the government will not go far enough to investigate terrorism because of concerns about constitutional rights, or that it will go too far in compromising constitutional rights in order to investigate terrorism?”
The poll found 48 percent of respondents worry the government will go too far, compared to 41 percent who worry it won’t go far enough.
And similar to the Fox News poll, the Post found the worry to be a fresh development, as only 44 percent worried the government would go too far in January 2006 and only 27 percent worried the government would go too far in January 2010.
The Fox News poll was unique in that it further broke the responses down by political affiliation:
•Bucking the trend, 51 percent of Democrats responded they would give up personal freedom to reduce the threat of terror, compared to 36 percent opposed.
•Forty-seven percent of Republicans, on the other hand, opposed giving up freedoms, compared to only 43 percent in favor.
•Yet independents were the most resistant, with only 29 percent willing to sacrifice freedom, while 58 percent stood opposed.
Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2013/04/americans-fear-government-more-than-terror/#Y0KgibzmIMiK0Lju.99
Riding Along With a Towson University Student’s ‘White Patrol’
Apr 24, 2013 4:45 AM EDT
He should be the most hated man on campus. But even his would-be adversaries have only nice things to say about Matthew Heimbach, the 22-year-old founder and leader of the Towson White Student Union (WSU), a non-university-affiliated group that is doing its part to stop the “genocide against the European people.”
student Matthew Heimbach, 21, hands out leaflets against the construction of a mosque on the campus of Towson University, near Baltimore, on November 20, 2012. (Fabienne Faur/AFP/Getty)
“He’s really polite,” says Jonathan Smith, president of the Black Student Union at Towson, a public university of more than 20,000 students in Baltimore County, Maryland. The number of white students at Towson reflects the demographics of Baltimore County, making up 68 percent and 65 percent of the two populations, respectively. Yet while 26.8 percent of Baltimore County residents are black, only 13 percent of Towson students are. “He doesn’t want diversity, but I’ve never felt like he’s trying to belittle me or not want to be in my presence. We’ve just talked and chilled.”
It’s Heimbach’s views on race, not his pleasant demeanor, that have lured several reporters to this suburban college town in the past month. Back in March, the White Student Union went from a local news story to a national one when one of its members suggested, during a panel at this year’s Conservative Political Action Conference, that the Republican Party might benefit from segregation, and that Frederick Douglass's slave master did him a favor by providing him food and shelter. Since then, Heimbach and his crew have stayed in the spotlight with their announcement that they’d be patrolling the campus to combat what they claim is a prevalence crime targeted by black males against white females. As far as everyone else at the school is concerned, the talk of scouring the campus for crime so far has been just that: talk. But last week, Heimbach invited The Daily Beast, Vice magazine, and CNN (who ended up sending its reporter to Boston instead) to tag along on a patrol.
Heimbach is, indeed, polite. Chubby, with black, buzzed hair and dark, beady eyes, he speaks with a Southern inflection and sprinkles the word “ma’am” into his explanation of how he “awakened to the essential displacement of our people.” The oldest of three siblings, Heimbach was raised by two public-school teachers in the small town of Poolesville, Maryland. Heimbach credits the writings of conservative commentator Pat Buchanan with inspiring the creation of the White Student Union.
“I’m Jewish and they’re white supremacists,” said one student. “They’re neo-Nazis. They just want everyone to be as unhappy as they are right now.”
“Buchanan talks about how whites are being displaced, becoming a minority in this country,” says Heimbach. “He talks about how growing secularism goes hand in hand with the destruction of European culture.” From Buchanan, Heimbach was introduced to Jared Taylor, founder of the magazine American Renaissance and proponent of “race realism,” which argues that every race is inherently self-interested, and other advocates of “white nationalism.”
“I’ve always been put off by skinheads and neo-Nazis and the Klan because they don’t advocate a positive message,” Heimbach says. “They don’t advocate any solutions, really, but they also advocate hatred. I’m allowed to love my people.”
Heimbach attempted to create a White Student Union at Poolesville High School but was shut down—despite, he claims, having 400 signatures of support—when the school deemed the endeavor racist. During his two years at Montgomery College, a community college outside Washington, D.C., he headed a chapter of the conservative youth organization Young Americans for Freedom. Before the start of his first semester at Towson in 2011, he helped form the now-defunct Towson branch of the Youth for Western Civilization, a former nonprofit organization founded in 2006 in opposition to multiculturalism and affirmative action at American colleges. Towson revoked Youth for Western Civilization’s campus privileges in March 2012 when some of its members scrawled “White Pride” in chalk across the school’s Baltimore campus. At the time, Heimbach came to the group’s defense saying, “White pride is no different than gay pride or black pride.” Frustrated by what he calls “blatant double standards in our society,” Heimbach submitted an application for approval for his White Student Union during the first week of fall semester, 2012. It was rejected.
It turned out to be a blessing, he says, giving the group freedom that the university chartered Youth for Western Civilization never had. He practically celebrated his induction into the Southern Poverty Law Center’s Hate Map. “Members of the Towson White Student Union were pleased to find this morning that the left wing Southern Poverty Law Center has decided that our stand against the genocide of the European people from the face of the earth, demographic displacement of Europeans from our homelands, discrimination in the workplace, and a call to end foreign influence over our domestic affairs has made us such a threat to the Left that they put us on the Hate Map,” he posted proudly on the group’s blog.
The SPLC, for its part, has called Heimbach “the future of organized hate.”
While Heimbach seems to revel in the attention, Bilphena Yahwon, who founded Be the Change Towson after the White Student Group attempted to get university approval, is troubled by the national media attention her school is generating. “WSU is not affiliated, supported, or endorsed by the university. Some students don’t even know it exists,” she said. “They’re not even a group, just a few individuals who are being obnoxious.”
Towson University President Maravene Loeschke agrees. At a Unity Rally on campus earlier this month, she praised students for “coming together around the core values that we all share,” denouncing Heimbach as “one student out there giving a lot of misinformation.”
One member of the Towson White Student Union shows off his white, Southern pride with a collage of bumper stickers. (Caitlin Dickson)
But what is described by Yahwon and Loeschke as “a few individuals,” only one of whom is actually a Towson student, is, according to Heimbach, a 57-member group of students (both undergraduate and graduate), community members, and students from nearby schools. Members must take an oath of conduct that includes a pledge to “defend, honor, and further knowledge of the Christian religion and create a future for the European people,” and participate in at least one event every two weeks.
As of last week, the Towson campus police said it wasn’t aware of the WSU conducting patrols, and Smith scoffed at the news coverage. Yet Heimbach says they’ve done six patrols since announcing their plans last semester. They don’t claim to have witnessed or thwarted any real crimes, but say they that on their last patrol they came across two girls who were visibly intoxicated and sent them home in a cab. Preventing girls from getting raped is one of the main goals of these excursions and their plan, in the event of any real crime, is to call the police. And while Heimbach has cited the “very large problem of black-male-against-white-female crime” at Towson as justification for campus patrols, the university insists it has one of the safest campuses in the University System of Maryland, offering the latest report that shows Towson with the lowest crime statistics per capita among Maryland schools.
Heimbach and five others are gathered at the Red Robin in Towson for pre-patrol beers and burgers. Four of the people there are “executive members” of the White Student Union—meaning they help organize and lead the group. Heimbach sits proudly at the head of the table, sporting a tight-fitting Youth for Western Civilization T-shirt and two necklaces: one a short chain with a small medallion that hits his collarbone and the other a cross with a circle behind it that sits right on his chest. He introduces his team by first name only. Paddy, a Towson junior from Baltimore, is his right-hand man. Short but built, his head shaved, he speaks calmly but passionately about his desire to see the creation of a white “ethnostate,” free from the ruin of multiculturalism. To Paddy's right is his fiancée, Addie, a senior from Nashville who deplores feminism and credits Paddy with introducing her to the movement. Next to her is Ken, a 43-year-old who drove from Delaware to participate in his first patrol.
I hitch a ride to the campus with Shane, a 26-year-old member of such organizations as the Maryland League of the South, the Sons of Confederate Veterans, and the Southern National Congress. He doesn’t live or go to school in Towson, a city he says is overrun with outsiders. As he opens the door to the passenger's seat for me, Shane nods to the back of his white Dodge pickup truck that is covered in bumper stickers that read “Native” and “Go home Yankee!” scattered throughout a collage of Confederate flags. “This is what you're going to be riding in,” he warns.
Everyone reconvenes in a parking garage on campus to read a passage from the Bible and say a prayer before setting out on their mission. Other than the fact that a few of them are carrying large Maglite flashlights, they look just like a group of friends out for an evening stroll. If it weren't for the cameraman running backward ahead of them, drawing attention at every step with his glaring light, they might have managed to carry out the entire patrol without anyone looking twice.
“That's the White Student Union guy,” sophomore Bria Brown says to her friends, all of whom are black, spotting Heimbach as the posse passes through the student union. “I recognized him from the news.”
Brown's friend, fellow undergrad Ebony Spiller says she probably wouldn't have even noticed Heimbach and his crew walking by if not for the camera. She says she finds the idea of patrols pointless, figuring that they were just attention seekers. But Jonathan Adejoh, also a sophomore, disagrees. "I definitely would have noticed them," he says. "They look weird, kind of freaky. It's intimidating."
Meanwhile, Heimbach heads for the Black Student Union to ask if any of their members want to join the patrol, crossing paths with members of the Jewish fraternity AEPi on the way. A ruckus erupts as one student becomes distraught. "I hate them," he declares, pacing back and forth, his face red. He declined to give his name. "I'm Jewish and they're white supremacists. They're neo-Nazis. They just want everyone to be as unhappy as they are right now." Back outside, Paddy and Addie discuss what happened with the frat boys.
"Most of the venom that is spewed at us comes from our own people, which I think says a lot," says Paddy. "I think it says that whites today have been brainwashed into complete and utter ignorance." He and the others don't seem to be aware of the fact that the young men they'd just encountered were Jewish. The WSU does not recognize Jews as white.
Paddy and Heimbach insist that the White Student Union is a peaceful organization, focused solely on preserving white culture. But it's obvious that Heimbach likes to instigate. He makes a point of picking at a "Kony 2012" sticker on a pole. Later, he scrawls "Hitler" on a piece of poster board in the library under the question, "Who is your favorite author?" He poses for the cameraman with his arms crossed in front of a chalk board that says, "Take back the night."
Around 9:30 p.m., the group decides to call it quits. It’s Monday, after all, and the campus is relatively quiet. Heimbach’s girlfriend—who says she is supportive but doesn’t want to be involved with the WSU for fear of negative backlash—meets up with the group on the walk back to the cars. They reconvene at a restaurant, where, over ice cream sundaes and $2 beers, they talk about the patrol and the “drug deal” they may have just witnessed (a person handed something suspicious to someone else through a dorm window).
It’s hard not to wonder whether the media have given Heimbach undeserved notoriety. His views on race and the impending threat against white culture are shocking, at times confused, and, to many, offensive. Still, those who recognized him during the patrol—and even the student who grew angry at the sight of him—knew who he was. Not because he’s used violence, intimidation, or harassment against other students but because they’ve read and watched countless interviews with him. But even if he is all talk, some people are listening.
“He just seems like a nice person,” said Yahwon. “It’s really hard to believe that he’s promoting these ideas.”
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"Racist" Maryland Student Leader Vows Patrols Against Black Crime
Posted in Anti-Black, Extremist Propaganda, Hate on Campus by Hatewatch Staff on March 27, 2013
White supremacist student Matthew Heimbach, a thorn in the side of Maryland’s Towson University who has led two racist campus organizations, says his White Student Union (WSU) will start patrolling the campus at night next week in order to halt what his group characterizes as a “black crime wave.”
Heimbach, a 21-year-old who has said he had his “racial awakening” while still in high school, has been in the national news since earlier this month, when he and fellow WSU member Scott Terry interrupted panelists at the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) with a series of racist arguments. Terry advocated “separate but equal” policies, described slavery as providing food and shelter to black people, and allegedly muttered, “Why can’t we just have segregation” in the exchange. The event, caught on videotape and broadcast nationally, was a severe embarrassment to CPAC, which has tried to avoid being tarred as racist.
Now Heimbach, who describes himself as “commander” of the WSU (a possible hat tip to the late “commander” of the American Nazi Party), says that his group will be leading patrols of three male and one female student several nights a week. The men will be armed with heavy police flashlights and the woman will carry pepper spray.
Under the headline “Black Crime Wave Continues!”, the WSU website claims that “every single day black predators prey upon the majority white Towson University student body.” Heimbach also told The Baltimore Sun that “every time the offender is a black male, usually between 18 and 25.” His website adds that “White Southern men have long been called upon to defend their communities when law enforcement and the State seem unwilling to protect our people”— a fairly obvious allusion, it appears, to the terroristic role of the Ku Klux Klan during Reconstruction.
In fact, the university said in a statement, there is no crime wave, black or otherwise, although there have been concerns about sexual attacks and armed robberies. The school said that violent crime on campus fell 37.5% from 2011 to 2012.
In response to Heimbach’s announcement, Towson also said that the WSU is not an officially recognized campus organization (it is allowed to rent campus facilities for meetings, as many other off-campus groups also may do); that Towson is “one of the safest campuses” in the Maryland state system; and that the general public ought not to “take the law into their own hands.” But the school added that it would increase its own evening patrols in a bid to make the campus community feel safer.
The WSU is not some namby-pamby opponent of multiculturalism. Its website carries links to the Council of Conservative Citizens (CCC), the descendant of the segregationist White Citizen Councils of the 1950s and 1960s and a group that has described black people as a “retrograde species of humanity.” As part of its platform, the CCC opposes “all efforts to mix the races of mankind.” The WSU website also links to the website for “The Political Cesspool,” a radio show based in Memphis, Tenn., that specializes in sympathetic interviews with leading racists and anti-Semites.
Heimbach’s WSU is not his first racist organization. For a time, he was the president of the Towson chapter of Youth for Western Civilization (YWC), another racist campus group that was headed nationally by Kevin DeAnna, another hard-liner who also has worked with white supremacist organizations. DeAnna quit that group in February 2012. Later last year, after members of Heimbach’s YWC chapter chalked “White Pride” on campus sidewalks, the group lost the support of the university administration and official status, leading to its collapse. At that point, the Towson group was the only remaining chapter of YWC, which is now apparently defunct.
Heimbach then started the WSU as a replacement. Soon enough, it had gathered members like Scott Terry (Heimbach has claimed a highly improbable 50 members), whose own website includes sections with headlines like “Arguments Against Miscegenation” — that is, what the Klan would call “race-mixing.” Terry also writes about “Kinism,” a racist ideology that emphasizes close relationships among “kith and kin,” meaning members of the same race. It also links to the sites of the CCC and a racist journal called American Renaissance, whose leader, Jared Taylor, has written that black people are incapable of sustaining any kind of civilization. Taylor was brought by Heimbach to speak at a WSU campus event last August.
In an interview with a white nationalist radio show last October, Heimbach detailed some of his racist views. Warning that the “enemy is at the gates,” he said that white people are “rediscovering who they are” and waking up to the threat. “We’re seeing other cultures take over essentially our country and are replacing what we knew and grew up with and what our ancestors fought and died for, for something entirely foreign,” he said. He said that while he didn’t agree with using Nazi symbols, he would not “insult anyone” by attacking them for doing that because “if you’re out there advocating for white interests … I commend you for it.”
Heimbach doesn’t limit himself to racist student groups. He’s also the head of the Baltimore chapter of the CCC and a member of the League of the South, a neo-secessionist group that opposes racial intermarriage, seeks to impose “Anglo-Celtic” supremacy on a Southern nation, and sees egalitarianism as an evil doctrine.
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on March 27th, 2013 at 10:47 am
Youth is wasted on the young — and stupid.
(And I say this as someone only five years older than Heimbach.)
on March 27th, 2013 at 11:39 am
Oh, we’ll be hearing about this guy… nothing good. And I’ll guess he has a sinecure for life assured him…in the Big House.
on March 27th, 2013 at 1:43 pm
Can a white person become a white advocate, and openly work for the advancement of the white race, without being called a ‘racist’? And let’s say they were calm, educated, erudite, whimsical, funny, engaging, attractive, strong, witty, and wise. And let’s assume they were not hateful, but simply working as an advocate for white people just like any other minority figure. For example, if a white Ghandi emerged on the scene and advocated non-violent protest. And they claim to be a “community organizer”, “advocate”, “spokesman”, “activist”, or whatever. And let’s say they have nothing to do with the KKK, Nazis, or any other group of supremacists.
Imagine just a white Ghandi emerging in the media, who claims whites are being oppressed, and their rights violated. Would they be allowed to do that in your mind?
Ruslan Amirkhanov said,
on March 27th, 2013 at 1:51 pm
I guess white crime is cool then. And why not? After all 90-95% of crime is INTRA-racial, a commonly known fact in criminology.
on March 27th, 2013 at 3:27 pm
Edward, once again, no one is stopping you.
We are simply criticizing your actions.
And you are no Mohandas Gandhi.
on March 27th, 2013 at 3:30 pm
Ruslan, crime, regardless of race, isn’t cool..However, that’s not what’s being addressed here… If a group of students want to start a crime prevention group then kudos to them..Granted, w/o the help of local authorities such a group could be considered suspect but if there is indeed a threat, then proper steps should be taken to prevent attacks, regardless of ethnicity..
on March 27th, 2013 at 3:48 pm
Towson University should expel Heimbach immediately before he causes harm to other students.White supremacists patrolling a college will lead to civil rights lawsuits which will bankrupt a prestigious University.
on March 27th, 2013 at 3:57 pm
regardless of the ethnicity of the criminals, i meant to add.
Sam Molloy said,
on March 27th, 2013 at 4:00 pm
A 2010 series on Racism available on Youtube urged a focus on what they did, not who they are. I agree. Victims don’t care about their tormenter’s race, education level, their lack of both parents, their socioeconomic postion, or any other excuses. At the time of the crime, they just wish that person had been kept in jail the last time they commited a similar act.
Mitch Beales said,
on March 27th, 2013 at 4:35 pm
Edward you must be new here. What exactly is the “white” race? How could anyone possibly give creedence to “claims whites are being oppressed, and their rights violated”? History shows us that, in virtually every case it is “whites” who are the oppressors.
Brock Henderson said,
on March 27th, 2013 at 4:57 pm
Oh yeah, Anglo-Celtic supremacy in the South is so radical and on the fringe . . . except that it ISN’T.
What’s this? Oh that’s right, that’s HOW THE SOUTH WAS FOUNDED!
No, Ruslan, I don’t think any of us believe that the murders committed by non-Hispanic white Americans are ok. But . . . umm, what’s our share of the.felony murders committed in America, Comrade? Now what is it for blacks? Hispanics?
I must commend you for something, by the way. The agonizing mental and psychological work you do in your head, training yourself to actually believe in this belly-laugh-inducing concept known as “anti-racism,” is worthy of a little bit of admiration. God knows I don’t ever give myself that much of an intellectual challenge, tying my brain in knots trying to separate myself from . . . you know, reality.
on March 27th, 2013 at 5:27 pm
Well, “Edward/Eugene/Ezra Mead/Jason/Annie, you yourself say you don’t read anything we post, so I’m sure you’re not really interested in the answer.
Nonetheless, you’re still being tested on the material, and here it is, again!
1. If you’re here to “debate leftists,” why are you ignoring their responses?
2. If you don’t read “their posts anymore,” why are you here?
3. How can you have their posts on “permanent ignore,” when they’re put on a weblog, not sent in a stand-alone e-mail to you?
4. When you have had a “real job and a wife and family, and a nice home and car he worked for?”
5. Why should Ruslan Amirkhanov “go away?” Are you the webmaster of this site?
6. How do you propose to enforce that demand?
7. Do you seriously expect anybody to obey your demands at this point? You have already stated that we are “crazy,” so why are you issuing them?
8. If Ruslan is a “crazy person” and you “don’t read him,” why should it matter if he is here or not?
9. On that line, why should it matter what he writes? Is he ruining your life?
10. You have repeatedly stated that what appears on this web page “does not matter” and is “not important.” Why, then, are you so concerned with it?
11. Do you believe that freedom of speech only applies to you?
12. What legal or racial theory is that based on?
13. How are you such an expert on the lifestyles of leftists?
14. According to you leftists “all probably live in a college town in a crummy basement apartment, doing drugs, with no job, never even had a girlfriend. They’re probably all gay, unattractive, effeminate, overweight slobs. Basically deviants. So they get mad when they see a normal healthy man who has a job, looks good, is clean cut, and has a real job and a wife and family, and has a nice home and car he worked for. So these losers are all jealous.” If “leftists” are “deviants” in the first place, why would they be “jealous” of others?
15. Leftists include Theodore Roosevelt, Woodrow Wilson, Franklin D. Roosevelt, Harry S. Truman, and John F. Kennedy. Were any of them “gay, unattractive, effeminate, overweight slobs?”
16. Leftist war heroes include Theodore Roosevelt (Spanish-American War), Harry S. Truman (World War I and dropper of two atomic bombs), John F. Kennedy (World War II), George McGovern (World War II), Al Gore (Vietnam), and John Kerry (Vietnam). Were they “gay, unattractive, effeminate, overweight slobs?”
17. What is the definition of a “normal, healthy man?”
18. Why is having a “car he worked for” so critical to normality?
19. What if you live in a major city where parking is a nightmare?
20. As a Ph.D. and a university professor, you must work with colleagues who do not “look good,” or are necessarily “clean cut,” nor can afford a “car he worked for.” How do you get along with them?
21. Does the term “projection” mean anything to you?
22. You indicate intense anger at and obsession with leftists who have made a great deal of money and live well through their own energy and hard work. Is this because you still live in your parents’ basement and have never earned a penny in your entire life?
23. You claim that I and the other regular posters here are deviants who live in “crummy basement apartments in college towns” who have never had jobs, wives, or girlfriends. Please give your research, sources, footnotes, and interviews that have enabled you to come up with such a detailed description of our lives, and explain to us who we are and what we are doing.
24. You have asked us for our “10-year-resumes,” which I presume is part of that research. Since you are now defining us, please present those “resumes” for review.
25. In one of your many incarnations, you have urged your opponents to do the following: “I urge both of you to focus your lives on real world issues that will improve your lives, such as getting a better paying job, joining the military, getting married, saving up to buy a home, or doing anything that will make a real man out of you.” Have you done any of the above?
26. If you have joined the military, please list your service branch, medals, and campaigns.
27. We notice that nowhere in your prescription for life to you include the concept of “community service.” Can you explain this?
28. Please define “Community service.”
29. Have you engaged in any acts of community service, e.g., serving in government, supporting charities, mentoring youth, participating in fundraisers for charities or awareness campaigns to address diseases, or even given blood?
30. If so, please list all such incidents.
31. You have also stated, “The posters on here are all a bunch of anti-white bigots and haters. They speak nothing but lies.” Why are you therefore continuing to engage “liars” in dialogue?
32. Why are you so obsessed with the sexuality of leftists and whether or not they have girlfriends?
33. You indicate that leftists are “gay.” Why would a gay person be “jealous” of someone with a “wife” of the opposite sex?
34. Where did you gain you expertise in gay lifestyles?
35. Why have you changed your sex in your names?
36. You say that all leftists “live in college towns in crummy basement apartments, doing drugs, with no job.” By that logic, how do they pay the rent?
37. You claim to have a Ph.D. and be a tenured professor. Where is that college and what do you teach, and what have you written for your dissertation?
38. What do your colleagues and students think about your statement denouncing your “college town?”
39. Does watching black women perform on music videos make someone an expert on black culture, or on the culture created by black musicians and white music promoters?
40. Why, if you think that American blacks are not “your people,” are you so fascinated with black music videos?
41. How does the behavior of black performers in music videos compare with the behavior of white performers in professional wrestling?
42. Have you done any peer-reviewed or accredited term papers on the connection between music videos and the behavior of ordinary black and white people? If so, please provide the link.
43. You are apparently well-informed on the sexual practices and movements of black women. What research have you undertaken in this field, and where can your reports be found?
44. Did that research include sexual encounters with black women? If so, please list all of them, the types of encounters, positions used, the personal information about the involved persons, and whether or not these encounters were provided willingly or for hire.
45. Did you practice “safe sex” during this research?
46. How do you square these acts of miscegenation with Nazi racial laws that forbid such behavior?
47. Have any of these encounters resulted in children? If so, are you supporting them?
48. Does watching documentaries about remote African tribes make one an expert on African-American life?
49. Are loud and pushy women in supermarkets a threat to America’s survival?
50. Are loud and pushy black women in supermarkets a threat to America’s future?
51. Are you being forced to marry or reproduce with loud and pushy black women?
52. Why are you so obsessed with loud and pushy black women in supermarkets?
53. Are these loud and pushy black women preventing you from shopping?
54. Have you written a peer-reviewed academic paper on loud and pushy black women in supermarkets? If so, please provide the link.
55. Does watching music videos featuring loud black women and seeing loud and pushy black women make you an expert on famine in the Ukraine in the 1930s?
56. Are you sexually obsessed with loud and pushy black women?
57. You indicate a fascination with loud and pushy black women. Do you find quiet and polite black women sexually attractive?
58. Please list any and all black women that you find sexually attractive.
59. In what field did you earn your Ph.D. and where can we find your dissertation?
60. You claim that you answer all arguments with data. Please provide links to this data, and show that it has met academic standards. (As a Ph.D. with tenure at a university, you must know what those are)
61. Tell us how the Russian people greeted their Nazi invaders with flowers, with proofs and citations.
62. Tell us how Stalin intended to mate captured German civilians with monkeys to create a super-race, with proofs and citations. Your statement: “In the closing days of WWII the Soviet army was an entire army of rapists. Stalin had a secret agreement with Churchill and Roosevelt to take 4 million German civilians as slaves to Siberia to work in the Gulags — German women, old people teenagers, children. German babies were even taken for medical experiments. Stalin has a nightmarish dream of breeding humans with gorillas to create a super race of human/ape hybrids, which of course, failed. Read yourself in the Yalta agreement. It says the Soviets can take civilians as ‘labor in kind’ — meaning SLAVES!” Can you prove this with documentary evidence, such as examples of this “super race of human/ape hybrids?”
63. Why would “human/ape hybrids” be a “super race?” Would they be superior to, say, the Aryan race?
64. Please give your academic credentials in biology and anthropology in support of this statement.
65. Tell us how Norman Rockwell sided with Hitler, with proofs and citations.
66. Please give your academic credentials in art in support of this statement.
67. Show us your proof that the white man is superior to the black man, with academic citations.
68. You have also told us that you do not associate with neo-Nazis like Hal Turner, and so forth. Yet you have also said, on May 3rd, 2012 at 11:20 pm: “What’s wrong with being a neo-Nazi?” You have also said, “America is an evil country. While our brave young men were fighting in the East to stop the Asiatic hoards [sic], America bombed our civilians. There were no German soldiers left in the cities near the end of WWII. There were only babies, old people, young children, women. Yet the Americans bombed these civilians. During all this time our brave young men were fighting against Communism. America is an evil country. America fought on the side of evil during WWII. And evil won that war.” How can you rectify this hypocrisy?
69. Is “our country” Germany or the United States?
70. To which country do you swear allegiance?
71. What do your colleagues and superiors at your university think about you being a neo-Nazi adherent?
72. As an educator, how do you treat Jews and blacks in your classes?
73. Have you received any complaints from them for your racism or anti-Semitism?
74. In this post, you said the following: “#47 Comment By Jason Smith On May 7, 2012 @ 12:17 pm A.D.M., Ruslan, Erica, Reynadine, Aron, etc … You will have to start doing your own work. Read some books. If you want to hire me as a consultant , I might do it, for a consulting fee of say $500 dollars per hour. I might be willing to give a speech at one of your events but I would charge a fee. Minimum $10K plus travel expenses. But no, I’m not going to do anything for you for free. FYI: I do not read any of your responses. I never click on your links. I am not going to do any work for you or answer your questions for free. I don’t do that.” Does that mean you are only involved in neo-Nazism for personal gain?
75. If you will not provide information, except for vast fees, how do you propose to gain adherents among the poor and disenfranchised?
76. Isn’t demanding money for personal financial gain in exchange for proving your cause a tactic of the Jews and blacks that you despise?
77. Why are you using tactics of the very people you detest?
78. Doesn’t behaving like a Jew or a black make you a Jew or a black?
79. When are you going to provide us with that e-mail address for our 10-year resumes?
80. You have said, “Someday you’ll be on a talk show, flogging one of your novels, and you’ll complain, ‘I once debated this guy named Ezra on the Internet and he ignored all my posts, even though they were so clever’. Then you will burst out into tears on live TV.” Care to explain this in 1,000 words or less?
81. Isn’t a statement like the above an example of using the evil leftist debate terms of “epithets, slurs, invective,” and therefore not becoming a white nationalist and neo-Nazi?
82. You gave the following statement on the death of JT Ready: “#5 Comment By Jason Smith On May 3, 2012 @ 6:20 pm I do not believe this story. I believe it’s a setup! Note, the press release calls him the “apparent” shooter, and “The evidence to this point, which will still be verified …” So it’s not yet proven what happened. It may be a setup. It could be another hoax. It is far more likely this crime was committed by a gang of Communists and JT Ready was set up! Communist gangs operate all along the southern boarder smuggling drugs and illegal aliens. That’s a fact!” Can you provide proof that JT Ready was murdered by a Communist gang?
83. You indicate that Communist gangs are smuggling drugs and illegal aliens. Since such activities are done for profit motives, in connection with powerful capitalist drug cartels, how do you reconcile this discrepancy?
84. Do the profits from the drug trade finance Communist activities?
85. If so, can you provide documented evidence on how the Communist Party of the United States and similar organizations benefit from drug trade?
86. At the same time, numerous members of the Aryan Brotherhood are heavily involved in the production and distribution of methamphetamine, an illegal substance, to the public and in prison systems. Are such activities in keeping with Nazi traditions of purity?
87. How do you reconcile their activities as being different from those of Communist drug gangs?
88. You have made the following statement: “#2 Comment By Annie On August 20, 2012 @ 1:15 pm There’s nothing wrong with being a racist. A racist is merely a person who recognizes the existence of other races, yet prefers the company of his own people. Just as gays began coming out of the closet, I say it’s time for white racists to do the same. I feel more comfortable around other white people. When I go to a restaurant, or shopping, the community where I chose to buy a home, etc … My racist views shape all my decisions, and I think that’s good. I encourage all white to become racists. When more of us come out of the closet can we find acceptance for people like us. The people who hate white racists will be forced to accept us and our beliefs. That will occur when millions of us come out of the closet. There are so many of us they won’t be able to stop us or do anything. Only when white racists are united and come out in groups will we be able to force complete acceptance of racism.” How do you reconcile this statement with the violent and often genocidal acts of fellow racists?
89. There have already been examples of racist societies: the Confederacy, Nazi Germany, and the Aryan Nations compound in Idaho. They have all failed. If they are based on racial superiority to their enemies, why and how did they fail?
90. You repeatedly ask us to defend or deny various statements and positions. However, you have also stated that you refuse to read anything we say. Why are you asking us questions about our positions if you do not read our answers?
91. You have also stated that we are “Communist liars.” If we are liars, why are you asking us where we stand on any issue, since all we state are lies.
92. You have repeatedly said that you can create a website with your own worldview. Why have you not done so?
93. You have repeatedly given differing topics as being the “important question.” Can you indicate a set of principles, aka a “political platform,” to consistently give your positions?
94. Since your positions, names, identities, and views are constantly changing, how can you say you have any core integrity?
95. If we are all crazy people, why are you wasting valuable time here instead of making your own web page?
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on March 27th, 2013 at 5:28 pm
Remind me, what discrimination and lack of opportunity afflict us whites so we need to advance? Those who would claim a need for white advancement only mean that they do not want others to share in the same rights and opportunities we already have. This is why it is called racist.
on March 27th, 2013 at 7:42 pm
“Would they be allowed to do that in your mind?”
Of course. And they would also be “allowed” to face the inevitable criticism that such “advocacy” would justifiably invite. White people almost never need advocacy as a consequence of being white. If you claim they do, it sounds like, and almost certainly is, just white supremacy/separatism dressed up as something else.
on March 27th, 2013 at 8:38 pm
A white Ghandi? That’s funny because if someone with the spiritual insight of Ghandi were to appear to us in any color, race, or religion I believe that he would not put the emphasis on his ethnicity. The emphasis would be on peace and loving each other despite our differences.
Heimbach is not an advocate he is a hateful abomination; he is pushing racism and to an extreme promoting slavery. He has lost his mind.
He needs to sit down and read, 33% of our homeless are Veterans and there are plenty of homeless white people. Since he believes in housing and feeding those less privileged than himself then he can go push his slavery proposition on the streets. I wonder how long he would last?
We aren’t speaking about people who are white and just want to develop their families and friends around being white. We are talking about people who are pushing a hate agenda and trying to force it’s belief on Americans who don’t (excuse the expression) roll like that. There are those of us who enjoy the eclectic flavor and diversity of people in our nation and don’t want hate mongering idiots raining on our civil liberties to live, love and prosper with other like minded people who cross the boundaries of both race and religion.
We need t shirts that say, “Don’t push your bigotry on me.”
on March 27th, 2013 at 8:38 pm
No crime is cool.
on March 27th, 2013 at 8:42 pm
Edward, if anyone’s rights are being violated then of course they need to be looked into. And there have been cases of white men and women who have had their civil rights violated and yes they have gone to court.
But that has nothing to do with hate mongering abominations who promote hate, racial divide, violence and the serious oppression of another race. Those are not Ghandi’s by any stretch of the imagination and they do not represent a group of people having their rights violated. They are people trying to violate the rights of others.
on March 27th, 2013 at 8:46 pm
Heimbach; a true inheritance of a cow pie mind.
Now we know what has happened to all of those cow pies that used to be laying peacefully in pastures…
Some strange scientist must have taken them and inserted them into empty skulls which now yield absolutely no intelligent thought.
on March 27th, 2013 at 9:13 pm
Whites in the US are not oppressed. Whites are in a majority in the US – they are not a minority. No Gandhi is needed to fight for “white rights,” since white people have equal rights in the US. In fact, white people in the US have benefited from our unfair and unequal racial policies since the US was founded. The Civil War was required to abolish slavery, which then gave way to Jim Crow and forced segregation of the races. Only in the 1960s did blacks start to receive equal treatment under the law (and often even now not in reality). Just because we have a black President does not mean that we are in a “post-racial” society. And just because we have a black President does not mean that white people are “oppressed.”
on March 27th, 2013 at 10:02 pm
Well, these patrols sound like a recipe for disaster. Not the patrols, per se, but the people involved.
Edward — I think it depends on in what regard one is advocating for “White” people. There are plenty of “White” people who are involved in various cultural heritage groups and activities, such as Irish Dance, various Scottish organizations, various Swedish-American organizations and festivities, Italian organizations, including the Knights of Columbus. Unfortunately, Germans have a tough time because of associations with the Nazis, although German-Americans are a huge group that is wound throughout “White” American culture.
Also, frankly, many of the “cultural” activities that have a lot of adherents, such as Renaissance Faires (quite a subculture there, including me), Revolutionary War re-enactors, Pioneer Days and Pioneer groups, Civil War re-enactors (the ones I know — I am aware that there are some dyed-in-the-wool Confederacy buffs, but since I live “up north,” I haven’t personally encountered them, tend to be primarily celebrations of “White” culture, although I don’t know anyone who is involved in such groups who would seek to bar persons of other races or ethnicities from joining in.
White culture is still pretty much “dominant” in the U.S., although most white Americans I know also revel in learning about other races, ethnicities, and their cultures.
My question to you is why, given the large number of groups with which you could associate, you seem to feel alienated. If you are someone who would freak out if a 90% white group allowed “others” to also join in, well, I think you need to examine your reasons why (although you don’t say that you would freak out — I posed this as a hypothetical).
As for Gandhi-like people who attempt to address oppression through non-violence, I suggest that you look around. There are many people like this of all races. They are attempting to fight poverty, unfair work practices, inequality in educational opportunities, environmental degradation, and the like. You may not know of their work, but there are plenty of people who are trying to make the U.S. — and the world — a better place. Join with them, why don’t you? Make the world better for everyone — including “white” people.
Also — it is likely that someone will join in and explain that race is pretty much of a social construct. I am “white,” but recently found that I have the 1/16th percentage of African-American blood. So what does that make me? Mostly “white,” Northern-European Mix, and Human. The important part is the human part.
on March 28th, 2013 at 12:39 am
Edward – absolutely, I think they call those people Republicans.
Ruslan Amirkhanov said,
on March 28th, 2013 at 1:57 am
“Can a white person become a white advocate, and openly work for the advancement of the white race, without being called a ‘racist’”
No, because one, “white people”, based on all statistics, don’t need some kind of advocacy group. And because two, “white” is not a real ethnicity, culture, or nationality. As I’ve said dozens of times on here, Irish, German, Russian, etc. are actual nationalities, cultures, etc. Nobody gets upset at St. Patrick’s Day or Oktoberfest. That’s because whatever dark things might lurk in these nationalities’ pasts, there is something to German or Irish culture that ISN’T related to those things. For example, many historians and observers(especially shortly after WWII) treat the rise and success of Nazism in Germany as an aberration, specifically BECAUSE German culture had established a reputation for enlightenment and civilized behavior.
To celebrate “white” on the other hand, is to encourage that European-descended people downplay their culture and history and band together because they look kind of similar. More importantly, “white” as an identifier is inextricably linked with oppression, not just of black people or natives, but also of various Europeans who weren’t, at a particular time, the right kind of white people(that is to say they weren’t considered white at all).
” And let’s say they were calm, educated, erudite, whimsical, funny, engaging, attractive, strong, witty, and wise.”
What you are suggesting is literally one in a million, and the WN movement is nowhere near 1 million. At best some rising star will have a few of those traits, and if so he’s probably using that to scam his fellow “white brothers and sisters.”
” And let’s assume they were not hateful, but simply working as an advocate for white people just like any other minority figure.”
1. Whites aren’t minorities, and contrary to what the chicken little press says, they most likely won’t be in the US.
2. Not hateful? Doubt it. Even when WNs speak flowery phrases in public, every private conversation or meeting revolves around n-word this, Jews that. What I don’t think you guys realize is that while you can dress up a pig, it’s still a pig. So if you have some fast-talking promising young man trying to play white Martin Luther King Jr. in public, it only takes 30 seconds for someone to Google Stormfront, VNNForum, or any other WN gathering place on the net. And what will they find there, Edward?
” For example, if a white Ghandi emerged on the scene and advocated non-violent protest.”
Do you understand the profound difference between Gandhi and what you’re advocating? Gandhi was an advocate of the majority in a colonized country. What you are suggesting would, with some differences, be similar to a British person becoming an advocate for British imperial rule.
” And they claim to be a “community organizer”, “advocate”, “spokesman”, “activist”, or whatever. And let’s say they have nothing to do with the KKK, Nazis, or any other group of supremacists.”
Won’t happen. Perhaps you’re new to the movement, so let me fill you in on how it works. It NEVER “gets better,” the intellectuals never drive out the nutjobs, the conspiracy kooks, the schizophrenics, and the sociopaths. Your movement actually attracts those people.
How does it attract them? Think about it- What is the most important thing in the White Nationalist movement? Being white. If you fit the definition of “white”, you are automatically part of the “nation”, “community”, etc. This belonging and identity is something which is very important to many people in America, and if there’s a person who can’t fit in anywhere else due to lack of intelligence, mental problems, etc. yours is the easiest group to belong to; all they have to be is white. So your movement attracts hordes of idiots, which also attracts con-men, because they know they can easily deceive idiots.
“Imagine just a white Ghandi emerging in the media, who claims whites are being oppressed, and their rights violated. Would they be allowed to do that in your mind?”
Of course they’d be allowed to, but they should be laughed at if they’re making those claims. What rights are white people being denied in the US? Also, if you want to speak about rights violations, there’s tons of hard data on racial profiling and police brutality against black Americans. Does any of that concern you at all?
Robert Pinkerton said,
on March 28th, 2013 at 7:11 am
The more one sees of this fellow, the more he sounds like a ding-ding. Speaking as a lifetime lawful gun-person and firearm-rights advocate in my small way, I remind folks that the very first instruction given to anyone who wants lawfully to carry a firearm in the street, is (advance apologies for capitalized emphasis), Do NOT be provocative. A capsacin aerosol is a weapon, though not a firearm; weapon discipline govern its use also.
Ruslan Amirkhanov said,
on March 28th, 2013 at 8:06 am
““every single day black predators prey upon the majority white Towson University student body.”
John, it sounds to me like these guys are only concerned about black crime.
on March 28th, 2013 at 8:14 am
if this guy wants to start doing racist “anti-crime” patrols he should join the police force.
on March 28th, 2013 at 12:10 pm
I read about this story because I live in Maryland and its news here. At first I was thinking “this guy is a nut” but now I’m not sure he is. I think he is generally a good person who has responded to what he perceives are threats in a way that he believes he can minimize by his actions. I don’t think he’s a racist, at least not in the sense that he hates non-whites or advocates violence or even intolerance against anyone.
However, many of the comments on this blog are pretty scary. I think that most of the comments here calling for him to be kicked out of school or calling him a racist were made by extremely intolerant people that only see the bad in others.
Why have you jumped to the conclusion that this kid is a horrible person? I think a man (or woman) trying to protect women (or men or kids) from crime is doing a good thing.
Just a thought. I would ask for everyone to try to give others the benefit of the doubt, and to not use your own prejudices while trying to understand someone’s motives.
on March 28th, 2013 at 1:02 pm
Some of you above seem to claim that one must prove they are a part of a ‘victim’ group, or ‘oppressed’ as a criterion for being ‘allowed’ to become a legitimate advocate. I say this is false. I reject this precondition. I contend that any group is free to advocate peacefully for the interests of their group. There is no official government agency that issues licenses proving victim status. Unlike getting a state license to practice dentistry, work as a real estate agent, electrician, or land surveyor. These are examples of state issued license requirements to practice a profession or trade.
Anyone can become a “community organizer”, “civil rights activist”, or “UFO researcher” for that matter. These are made-up labels.
I am merely a white advocate. I am not a racist. I have no hatred for other races. I am advocating for white people, just as minorities have public spokesmen and organizers. I see myself as a white version of Gandhi. I advocate peaceful, non-violent means of protest for white people to work for their collective group interests.
You claim there is no history of whites being oppressed. Prove it! I can think of many historical examples. How about the Mongol invasions of the 13th century? Perhaps Mongolia should pay reparations to the people of Eastern Europe. Or how about the Turkish invasion of the Balkans. Ever hear of “The Gates of Vienna”? This refers to the Turkish siege on that city in 1683 — relatively modern times.
Muslims captured and enslaved white Europeans over the course of a thousand years during the middle ages. Northern Europeans were slaves in Rome, during Roman times. Ancient middle eastern civilizations captured white slaves from the northern Black sea region and also the Adriatic, and took them back to live as slaves.
I can list many historical examples of Europeans living taken as slaves.
on March 28th, 2013 at 1:48 pm
You say, “‘white people’, based on all statistics, don’t need some kind of advocacy group.”
Why? Just because you say so? What makes you so special? Tell us where we can get an official certificate proving we are part of a ‘victim’ group. Then, I’ll apply for this certificate, and THEN we will form our group.
What if a group of whites decide to form an advocacy group anyway, and they say, “We’re not going to ask Ruslan for permission.” What would you do then?
We as white people don’t need your permission to form a white advocacy group.
Why are you the sole authority of history? Maybe your narrative of history is all lies? Maybe our narrative of history is the truth.
on March 28th, 2013 at 2:18 pm
But Edward, you quite conveniently missing the point.
Outliers are not historical proof. And the latest date you can come up with is 1683.
Are people with light skin being oppressed TODAY? Hardly.
But you are more than welcome to play your little MK Gandhi game. Just don’t be surprised when no one takes you seriously.
And Adam, before you start defending the guy, I suggest you google Matt Heimbach’s name. He’s about as racist as they come.
Am I advocating for his expulsion? Hardly. But I am saying the community at large should turn a blind eye to his aberrant (not to mention abhorrent) behavior? Not even slightly.
Freedom of speech is not freedom FROM speech.
He has a right to speak, we have a right to criticize.
on March 28th, 2013 at 2:19 pm
You have “no hatred for other races?” Maybe you should read through the questions I have been repeatedly tossing at you, displaying your obsession with blacks as sub-humans and apes. You yourself have defended neo-Nazism, ordered other commenters on this website to “go away,” attacked their personalities, dress, even their sexual habits.
You have “no hatred for other races?” Read your own words, earlier in this very thread, about how everything you do is based on being a “white racist.”
You see yourself as a “white version of Gandhi?” The Mahatma respected all religions and peoples, and their teachings. He opposed racial bigotry, campaigned for India’s “untouchables,” and said, “A true pilgrim bows to all and despises none.” He pointed up the similarities between peoples and religions, noting how they all supported simple truths: love thy neighbor, worship God, perform community service, fight injustice. His movement was inclusive, and he did not demonize his enemies, wanting to see the British as friends, and Hindu and Muslim united to build a non-violent India.
As for your “advocacy” of your crusade, you have never once taken the stand of a leader, of pledging your life and sacred honor to the cause. What’s your name again? Your location? Your organization? Your web page? Where did you get your Ph.D.? In which “crummy college town” do you teach?
On the other hand, you have told us: “#47 Comment By Jason Smith On May 7, 2012 @ 12:17 pm A.D.M., Ruslan, Erica, Reynadine, Aron, etc … You will have to start doing your own work. Read some books. If you want to hire me as a consultant , I might do it, for a consulting fee of say $500 dollars per hour. I might be willing to give a speech at one of your events but I would charge a fee. Minimum $10K plus travel expenses. But no, I’m not going to do anything for you for free. FYI: I do not read any of your responses. I never click on your links. I am not going to do any work for you or answer your questions for free. I don’t do that.” Does that mean you are only involved in neo-Nazism for personal gain? It’s all about the money? Isn’t that the tactic you ascribe to the Jews you despise?
If you want to be the “white Gandhi,” you’re free to try. You’re not going to find too many adherents here, nor too many converts. You’re the one who keeps saying, “I can set up a web page with my own world view.” Well, do so. Stormfront and VNN are rolling right along, and so are many others. If you’re ignorant about setting up a web page, try the local community college, or read a book.
But bear in mind, freedom of speech does not mean that the whole world is going to gaze upon you in awe, wonder, and reverence…freedom of speech in the public arena is not freedom from criticism, as movie actors, ballplayers, and politicians well know. If you can’t handle hecklers, political opponents, and stand-up comedians using you as the target du jour, you’re in the wrong business.
In which case, you have three options: “Lead, follow, or get the hell out of the way.” If you can’t lead your glorious crusade, find someone else to follow. If you don’t have the strength for that, I suggest you put up with it or move out to a compound in the Arizona desert and live your life free of everything you can’t stand.
In one of your many incarnations, you have urged your opponents to do the following: “I urge both of you to focus your lives on real world issues that will improve your lives, such as getting a better paying job, joining the military, getting married, saving up to buy a home, or doing anything that will make a real man out of you.” Have you done any of the above?
I suggest you try that yourself. And while you’re at it, add one other bullet to this “to-do list,” and that is: “Community Service.” Pick up some litter in a park. Donate time to a seniors’ home. Give blood. Do something to make your corner of the world a better place, instead of coming here to whine about it.
By the way, sometime ago, you arrogantly demanded from us our 10-year-resumes. How’s that project going?
For the past 70 years, neo-Nazis like you have been spouting your drivel, usually surrounded by hundreds of riot cops to make sure nobody can censor them and backed by ACLU lawyers (often Jewish) — so they’ve been exercising their freedom of speech pretty loudly and efficiently for decades.
And tell me, how far along are you on creating that all-White racial utopia full of big blondes with huge shoulders, rippling musicles, and bigger husbands? Got any adherents besides meth heads, schizophrenics, career criminals, confused teenagers, and confidence men?
Been out of your parents’ basement yet?
One last question…why are you so obsessed with black women’s sexuality? Seen “Mandingo” too often?
Ruslan Amirkhanov said,
on March 28th, 2013 at 2:36 pm
Edward, your arguments may get lots of point with the Stormfront crowd, but you’re about to learn that in the real world, they are pretty easily debunked.
“Some of you above seem to claim that one must prove they are a part of a ‘victim’ group, or ‘oppressed’ as a criterion for being ‘allowed’ to become a legitimate advocate.”
I have no idea what you’re talking about, but I think most rational people would agree that “not being part of the oppressing or at least dominant group” would be a good yardstick in this situation.
“I say this is false. I reject this precondition.”
Crap, he’s using the post-modernism!
” I contend that any group is free to advocate peacefully for the interests of their group. ”
Even a cursory glance at any number of statistics in America show that white people don’t need an advocacy group. Anything from wealth and assets to employment and even health statistics shows this.
“There is no official government agency that issues licenses proving victim status. Unlike getting a state license to practice dentistry, work as a real estate agent, electrician, or land surveyor. These are examples of state issued license requirements to practice a profession or trade.”
“Anyone can become a “community organizer”, “civil rights activist”, or “UFO researcher” for that matter. These are made-up labels.”
Yes, it doesn’t mean that it’s a good thing. You keep insinuating that someone is not “allowing” someone to do something and then you basically point out that nobody allows people to be these things anyway. Hell, declaring yourself something usually doesn’t mean anything either- you get deemed something by history.
“I am merely a white advocate. I am not a racist. I have no hatred for other races. I am advocating for white people, just as minorities have public spokesmen and organizers.”
Sure you say that, but then if we hear what you guys say to each other in private. If this seems unfair, by all means provide us with some forums where you guys gather to discuss your “advocacy.” Surely you have nothing to hide.
” I see myself as a white version of Gandhi. I advocate peaceful, non-violent means of protest for white people to work for their collective group interests.”
Ok first off, you might want to look up something called delusions of grandeur. Second, are you seriously comparing the situation of whites in America to that of Indians under British colonial rule? Really? If Indians under the Raj had lived like white people in America today, nobody would have had a need for Gandhi.
“You claim there is no history of whites being oppressed. Prove it!”
1. Nobody made this claim.
2. Your claim assumes that “white” is a valid identity and has been throughout history.
3. Burden of proof lies with the claimant.
” I can think of many historical examples. How about the Mongol invasions of the 13th century?”
There were no “whites” under Mongol rule and never were. There were mostly former Rus principalities, and it’s worth noting that one reason the Rus failed to repel the invaders is because in those days even the identity of “Russian” wasn’t very strong. Some principalities betrayed others to the Mongols. Later on, one Grand Prince became a blood brother of the Khan in his day, and working as an enforcer for the Mongols(who extracted tribute rather than colonized lands), built up his principality into the most dominant one in the region. That territory was known as Moscow.
” Perhaps Mongolia should pay reparations to the people of Eastern Europe.”
Perhaps. Did Mongolia profit off of free labor performed by those Europeans? Oh…wait.
” Or how about the Turkish invasion of the Balkans. Ever hear of “The Gates of Vienna”? This refers to the Turkish siege on that city in 1683 — relatively modern times.”
Characterizing the Ottoman Turks as “non-white” simply displays massive ignorance about that empire. When the Ottomans broke out of their minor beylik to conquer Anatolia and later the Byzantine Empire, one method of expansion was appealing to the local Greek nobility which often felt over-taxed or abandoned by the Byzantine emperors. The Ottomans promised Christian leaders the right to keep their titles of nobility in return for service to them. This was attractive to many of these types because the taxes that Christians paid(jizya) was lower than that demanded of Muslim(zakat) and in some cases of the Byzantine empire. Other, more ambitious types, converted to Islam so as to take part in the fortunes of the empire.
Characterizing these Ottoman conflicts as “white vs. non-white.” Is just ridiculous because:
1. Europeans fighting the Turks didn’t call themselves “white.”
2. Not all Christians fought against the Turks, and some Muslims fought for the Christian side. France was often an ally of the Ottoman Empire, for its own reasons. At the battle of Vienna, the principalities of Wallachia, Transylvania, and Moldova fought on the Turkish side, and Muslim Tatars fought in Poland’s army(they had been a core part of Polish light cavalry for generations, dating back to when they were invited to settle it what was then Lithuania by Vytautas).
3. The Ottomans divided communities by religion, not ethnicity, ergo what you would call “whites” who converted to Islam were integrated into the hierarchy of the empire itself. Throughout its entire history the Ottoman empire employed people of all sorts of nationalities in its administration and military from Russian deserters to English and Irish sailors.
4. The Ottomans didn’t even like the term Turk, which came to be an insult meaning a backward peasant. It was Ataturk who advanced the idea of a Turkish nationality and identity.
5. Ottoman Turkey was heavily influenced by Europe both ethnically and culturally, a fact made clear by comparing their society with earlier Selcuk and Central Asian Turkic peoples.
6. European Christian leaders under Turkish rule fought for the empire as well. A Serbian leader Stefan Lazarevic fought on the side of Sultan Bayazit II against Tamerlane at the battle of Ankara in 1402, AFTER the battle of Kosovo field.
“Muslims captured and enslaved white Europeans over the course of a thousand years during the middle ages.”
“Muslims” would include many Europeans. “Muslim” isn’t a race, remember. And to be fair, yes, many Christian slaves who ended up in galleys were severely oppressed, but you need to understand the key difference between that and European colonial chattel slavery. Read further.
“Northern Europeans were slaves in Rome, during Roman times. Ancient middle eastern civilizations captured white slaves from the northern Black sea region and also the Adriatic, and took them back to live as slaves.”
Again, some of those people were what you would call “white.” I say what you would call white because none of those people would have identified themselves thus, nor would they have agreed with your practice of grouping them all together like that. You have nothing in common with those people.
“I can list many historical examples of Europeans living taken as slaves.”
Sure…by other European people. What do we learn from this? Europeans aren’t one homogeneous people known as “white.”
Now I promised to explain why slavery in Islamic states and classical Europe was different from European colonial slavery(which incidentally has a history bound up with European liberalism). Chattel slavery was different because it made an entire “race”(their term) slaves in perpetuity. In Rome or Greece, if you were a slave there was a chance that your children or grandchildren could be born free. Also in those societies, there were usually some limits to what one could do with slaves. The Old Testament of the Bible is pretty brutal in regards to slavery, yet there are all kinds of limits imposed on slavemasters. American slavery, by contrast, made children born to black slaves automatically slaves, who could be split up at will. A black slave was to have absolutely no rights whatsoever. As one commentator of the late slavery era said, “A negro has no rights, which a white man is bound to respect.”
The second aspect concerns the reason why miscegenation laws were first concocted in the American colonies. They came about shortly after the Virginia slave laws which would bring about the concept of “whites” and “blacks.” If blacks were to be slaves in perpetuity while whites were to theoretically have some kind of rights(little though they were for most people), it was important to prevent the kind of co-mingling which went on when black and white slaves worked together. Otherwise you’d eventually have children coming out more or less white, which was a problem for a society which proclaimed that blacks were slaves by nature. Feel free to look this stuff up.
“white people to work for their collective group interests”
I don’t have automatic collective group interests with people for being white. A lot of white people are at the top of society, destroying thousands of lives every day for the sake of their profits. They are not my brothers and they aren’t yours. Look throughout history and you’ll see your so-called “whites” enslaving other “whites,” did they have collective group interests based on that?
LBJ wasn’t a great president per se, but he said one thing which explains white solidarity to a T: Convince the lowest white man that he’s better than the highest black man, and he won’t notice when you rob him blind.
You’re getting robbed, Edward.
Ruslan Amirkhanov said,
on March 28th, 2013 at 3:40 pm
You say, “‘white people’, based on all statistics, don’t need some kind of advocacy group.”
Why? Just because you say so?”
No, because there is no evidence that white people, in America, are oppressed and in need of an advocacy group. Do you even know WHY, for example, black Americans formed groups in the first place?
” What makes you so special? Tell us where we can get an official certificate proving we are part of a ‘victim’ group. Then, I’ll apply for this certificate, and THEN we will form our group.”
Apparently you think being a victim of oppression is a desirable thing. That just goes to prove how you know nothing about what it means to be oppressed. That in turn begs the question as to why you don’t know what that means. See where this is going?
When you can show me that white people in America are treated like Palestinian Arabs, Kurds in Turkey, Russians in Estonia or Latvia, etc., then you might have a case.
“We as white people don’t need your permission to form a white advocacy group.”
You say “we” as though white people as a whole are all automatically on the same side. That’s why people like you end up getting screwed again and again throughout history. There are powerful white people in America who couldn’t give two shits about the fact that you and they are both “white.” They’re quite happy with the way things are and they dictate what happens in America.
“Why are you the sole authority of history? Maybe your narrative of history is all lies? Maybe our narrative of history is the truth.”
Except it isn’t the truth. See now you’re degenerating into post-modernist whining. Oh why can’t OUR narrative be true. Well it’s not true because hard evidence says otherwise. Did you even bother to check?
See all those arguments you made here about alleged historical oppression of whites, like the ones on the Ottoman empire? You see those arguments are all extremely familiar to me. The problem is that once you take the time to do some real research and actually know what you’re talking about as opposed to sucking down canned arguments from Stormfront pseudo-intellectuals, you’ll realize how idiotic and pathetic they are. Real knowledge is something you acquire with work and time.
Moreover, your worldview displays the typical WN tendency to project American society onto Europe, which is obvious in how you equate “white” with European as though that was always the case(it isn’t today either).
Ruslan Amirkhanov said,
on March 28th, 2013 at 3:43 pm
If that’s a little TL/DR(although you should read it, because you’ll see how poorly your WN buddies prepped you to go out into the real world), let me point out two short things.
You seem to have this ever too popular idea that things are just a matter of personal or individual narratives. No, it doesn’t work that way. These things I say aren’t true because I say they are, but because that’s what objective study shows.
Ruslan Amirkhanov said,
on March 28th, 2013 at 3:49 pm
Let me just add one more personal thing, Edward. I smack down those canned arguments but I know they’re not your arguments. I’ve seen them before, and that tells me there may be hope for you yet. I know you’re new to the movement by the way you wield those claims; that means you haven’t tumbled all the way down the rabbit hole. So no matter what others say here, I haven’t written you off.
If you’re new, it’s probably because you’re still young, and if you’re young, you still have time. You can start questioning the information these WN conmen are feeding you, or you can go all in and waste years of your life fighting a losing battle, all the while having to look over your shoulder lest one of your honorable brothers stab you in the back.
You don’t have to admit it here, but be honest, if you read my initial smackdown of your historical claims you have to have felt that there definitely is a lot more to these topics than your WN buddies told you. You must have realized there’s a lot you didn’t know. Why would they send you out into battle armed with that? What else aren’t they telling you? Maybe they don’t have the answers. Think about it.
on March 28th, 2013 at 3:49 pm
Specifically on what points do you “advocate” for white people? What do you do, exactly? Because an “advocate” implies providing someone with assistance or protection or support in areas where they can’t help themselves well because of some social or physical disability. You get all huffy at the idea that whites don’t require special advocacy, yet you identify no area where they do need it. Unless you count protection against Mongol invaders.
WNs organizing or participating in apparently charitable public deeds (road-cleanups, voluntary crime patrols “for all races,” etc.) is always an attempt to present a (fake) humanitarian face on people who are anything but humanitarian.
on March 28th, 2013 at 3:58 pm
Tell me where I can get a certificate declaring me part of a special victim group. I want to apply.
on March 28th, 2013 at 4:07 pm
“What if a group of whites decide to form an advocacy group anyway, and they say, “We’re not going to ask Ruslan for permission.” What would you do then?”
Edward, I actually felt sorry for you when I read this. This is the kind of language used by a seven-year-old, not a healthy adult. Did you expect Ruslan’s answer to be that he would just take his ball home so no one could play?
It’s never too late to grow up.
on March 28th, 2013 at 8:37 pm
Yes,we will take away the guns from these crazies. You can absolutely count on it.
M. Bright said,
on March 29th, 2013 at 1:03 am
Other than being a bit smarmy, he seems to be following the Matt Hale/Francis Schaeffer Cox trajectory of hateful obsession, starting at a very young age, then getting progressively worse, until he does something really, really stupid and ends up in godawful little cage for his entire adult life.
Stephen D. Calhoun said,
on March 29th, 2013 at 8:52 am
Maryland has two histories. One is of racial cooperation and tolerance. The other is of intolerance. An early example of Maryland cooperation and tolerance is Mathias de Sousa.
Unfortunately, it appears that Mr. Heimbach suffers from a Maryland intolerance problem located between his ears.
Ruslan Amirkhanov said,
on March 29th, 2013 at 9:22 am
Edward, you’re not taking responsibility for your claims. Hell, all your claims about alleged oppression of “whites” in Europe is totally irrelevant anyway, seeing as how you live in America.
You would really do well to put your ego aside and read through my responses to your claims a little more closely. I don’t know if you were aware, but people knew about the Ottoman Empire and its history long before someone told you about it.
But in case you decide to double down in stupidity, I’ll take you up on your “victim application.” If such a document existed, what would you write on it?
Remember Edward, you don’t believe these things because you’re stupid, but to continue believing in these things you must become stupid, for the simple reason that holding such beliefs requires continually denying all facts to the contrary while actually being aware that you are avoiding said facts.